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Overheating Coolant temp climbs at low to moderate vehicle speeds going up grade. Cooling fans begin to run when temp gauge reaches center of temperature range. The thermostat and radiator have both been replaced within the last year. I found nothing blocking cooling air flow, but I suspect there may be inadequate air flow due to improper fan operation. What could cause the described issue? Thanks in advance.

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  • Posted on Mar 14, 2010

SOURCE: Cooling Fan won't come on, coolant flows into overflow tank

there is a switch in the engine intake or cylinder head that controls the cooling fans. The switch is the one with only 1 green wire hooked to it. Turn the key to run, with the engine stopped pull this wire off and touch it to a ground( cylinder head, engine block) and the fan should start, if not look at the fuse, if it does you need to replace the switch.

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  • Posted on Jul 22, 2011

SOURCE: electric cooling fans not working

{: ) You didn't mention the model of your vehicle. Anyway, I admire your way of observation, and I'm sure you got the analogy by now. When the car is running, the engine rpm is higher, and so with the water pump, plus the wind velocity passing thru the radiator fins, can give sufficient engine cooling without the electric cooling fans. But when your vehicle stops, like sitting on a traffic, the engine rpm is lower, and so with the water pump, and there ain't enough wind to help.
This is why the electric cooling fans are very important in maintaining engine temperature at normal levels in any driving conditions.
Basically, the cooling fans are controlled by the engine control module (ECM). The ECM monitors input from various engine sensors and then will give an output signal based on its programmed instructions. The output signals will energize the corresponding fan relays, be it high or low speed.
You can start by checking first the easy ones like the fuses and relays. Cooling fans usually have square top transparent windows. Check the the underhood fuseblock label to locate. Might as well check all fuses to be sure.
Check the cooling fan relays for signs of overheating, and also for loose terminal seating.
Check the cooling fan if stuck, and also check the connectors if burned or melted. To rule out a defective cooling fan motor, you can check for continuity, or you may apply direct voltage to the two wires on each fan.
The mostv frequent cause of cooling fan malfunction is on the fuses, relays, and connectors.

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I have a 2003 Chevy avalanche and the engine fans are not turning on

if the scan tool ECT sensors show 180f to 200f it is not overheating
what are you talking about.
blower dash fan.
engine RAD fans < guess only this.
or front AC condenser fans.
overheats parked
overheats driving yes or now fast?
oveheats only AC on, none of this told an matters HUGE.
learn to use a scan tool?
you can not fix any modern car lacking one. $100 buy one.
here are the proofs of over heating. al or most.!!!
dash gauge pegs, see that can be coolant low, easy no>?
scan ECT shows temps way over 200F, 265 is boiling point.
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coolant in oil pan , and dip stick end drips, chocolate milk.
engine pings, or under load (hills) dont let it. pings is too hot. or dead EGR.
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engine guts make huge nasty metallic sounds. bad that. check oil levels.
dash gauge engine heat PEGs , can mean overheating.
dash gauge tad high is normal. z(operators guide said so)

the service manual tells you clear as day what temps trip the fans on if you just RTM/ 214 to 220f , if ECT show that the fans run in that range and lacking a scan tool you will NEVER KNOW IT.
'the dash gauges is NOT and instrument it is a just a crude, toy gauge, the ECT is what matters period. or IR thermal gun pointed to thermostat housing then to top and bottom RAD tanks,


this magic tool and skills I can find dead RAD tubes in 1min flat
love mine, Have 2.

stat-housing2-undefined-undefined-0.jpg shows 170 here, or 180f if drive 5 miles. your car is 200f stat
a parting shot
no 19 year old thermostat run that long.
the top usa maker claims a 7 year design life
I bet yours is bad. as the wax pellet ages in it ,it shrinks and the TEMPS go way way too high, or are sluggish.
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Both radiator cooling fans are running all the time ? Key off ? The cooling fan opperation
HOW they work
Cooling Fan Control
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During low speed operation, the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed cooling fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan low relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the COOL FAN LO fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the cooling fan. During high speed operation the PCM supplies the ground path for the cooling fan low relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3-second delay, the PCM supplies a ground path for the cooling fan high relay and the s/p cooling fan relay through the high speed fan relay control circuit.
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• Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 102°C (216°F) High Fan Speed
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• A/C refrigerant pressure exceeds 2100 kPa (300 psi) High Fan Speed
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The PCM commands the fan off under the following conditions:
• A/C is requested and engine speed exceeds 6,240 RPM
• Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 99°C (210°F) turns the cooling fans from low to off.

sounds like one of the relays are stuck closed .

Cooling Fan Always On
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Schematic Reference: Engine Cooling Schematics , HVAC Schematics in HVAC Systems - Manual
Connector End View Reference: Cooling System Connector End Views
DEFINITION: One or both engine cooling fan motors run continuously in high or low speed.
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Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle?
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle in Vehicle DTC Information
2
Install a scan tool.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
With a scan tool, command the Fans Low Speed ON and OFF.
Are one or both cooling fans ON?
Go to Step 3
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
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Are both cooling fans running continuously?
Go to Step 4
Go to Step 6
4
Are both cooling fans running continuously in high speed?
Go to Step 5
Go to Step 7
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Test the low reference circuit of the A/C refrigerant pressure sensor for an open. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?
Go to Step 18
Go to Step 14
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Important: The S/P relay is located under the front bumper on the drivers side of the vehicle.
Remove the cool fan S/P relay.
Did the right cooling fan turn OFF?
Go to Step 10
Go to Step 8
7
Remove the cool fan LOW relay.
Did the cooling fans turn OFF?
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Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? Free one's here http://www.bbbind.com/free-tsb Enter vehicle info. year make , model an engine . Under system click on engine ,then under subsystem click on cooling fans . Click the search button then the blue link. Watch this video.
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How do you know if your engine is overheating? the coolant says 210 degrees wut do i do

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